Message boards : Graphics cards (GPUs) : Vista slower than XP? Yes!
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Found this on Nvidia's forums:
Note that 'kernel' in this context is not the typical OS kernel that many of us are familiar with. A 'kernel', in Nvidia's nomenclature, is the section of C code that is dispatched to run on the GPU. Of interest to developers is that it might be adventageous to create larger blocks for the GPU to execute in order to avoid the overhead in Vista and Windows 7. Mike ____________ Want to find one of the largest known primes? Try PrimeGrid. Or help cure disease at WCG. | |
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I accept that Vista approaches tasks differently than XP, but for me Vista is faster on the whole (IF YOU CONFIGURE IT CORRECTLY), is more functional and significantly more financially viable. | |
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Yup, yup. I prefer Vista also; I wasn't suggesting that XP (or Vista for that matter) was the better version of the operating system. | |
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Last autumn it seemed like we were seeing faster crunching times on Vista, possibly due to better optimizations in the new (radically different) driver. | |
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There had been reports that for some reason, GPUGRID appeared to be running slower on Vista than on XP (on the same hardware), and I was posting a link to an explanation of why that would be. Unless a given application is able to take into account the higher overhead, GPU tasks are going to be slower on Vista. Didn´t run both cards (same OC 666/1512/1150 MHz, different SP) long enough to get a good base to compare hosts but as an example:
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Could you upgrade the driver on the Win7 box to the 185 series? A temperature increase has been observed with these under Vista, which should mean somewhat faster processing. | |
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Could you upgrade the driver on the Win7 box to the 185 series? Yes I installed now 185.68 (Beta) for Vista/64, effects will be seen with the next new workunit, the current one (580445) is finished ~50%, perhaps there is in fact a change, thanks for your advice. (I used in a final step the official driver for some tests relating to HybridPower, but because the system is now almost using the GPU it´s not necessary any more.) | |
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Yes I installed now 185.68 (Beta) for Vista/64, ... ... unfortunately caused a compute error. | |
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Another error (582098), switched back to 181.71. | |
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ETA, he's going faster in XP because that machine has the faster card. 216 core vs 192. | |
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ETA - What temperature is your 9800GTX+ running at ? | |
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Mhh, sorry or wasting your time with that driver. Could be that the Vista drivers are not always so surprisingly compatible with Win 7. X1900AIW wrote: Didn´t run both cards (same OC 666/1512/1150 MHz, different SP) long enough to get a good base to compare hosts but as an example: @Zydor: about 55°C with 2 120mm fans at ~500 rpm on an Acceleron S1 Rev 2. Why? MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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I wonder if the driver differences could explain the rest of the difference (beyond the 12.5% more due to 216 vs. 192 shaders)? The Win7 box is using 181.71. The XP box is using 182.06. Anyone know any particular driver enhancements in the latter that might increase performance slightly? | |
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Not yet for win7 but for vista and xp there are some beta's released which should give a speed increase on these newer cards. | |
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The Win7 box is using 181.71. Since morning 181.22 (Vista/64-WHQL) is installed. Mhh, sorry or wasting your time with that driver. Doesn´t matter, it´s a good investment if someone else avoids the same test cycle, the card is high overclocked (original voltages however), I can´t complain about it, should run both cards at lower clock settings, sometimes curious things happen, may be I got faster output with lower settings. After some warming up with F@H resp. "burning in" the driver I´ll test it with GPUgrid one more time. | |
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I wonder if the driver differences could explain the rest of the difference (beyond the 12.5% more due to 216 vs. 192 shaders)? The Win7 box is using 181.71. The XP box is using 182.06. Anyone know any particular driver enhancements in the latter that might increase performance slightly? None have been reported here. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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The 185.66+ BETA drivers have been reporting to have some good effects on performance but as usual we talk about speed in games on these fora :D | |
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No change in configuration since backroll to 181.22 (other BOINC projects yes > Spinhenge exclusive), it is possible to crunch faster - depending on the workunit ? 598868: credit 4352/5440 * 29460 > GTX 260/192 SP: 30 ms time/step, CPU-Time > 4700 s, Windows7/64, X4 810 @2,6GHz | |
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is it possible to crunch faster - depending on the workunit ? Definitely. The complexitiy of the WUs (~number of atoms) varies and therefore also the time per step. The number of steps per WU is adjusted to keep the overall length in check. If case of this WU its name is probably "pYIpYV", but I'm not totally sure. If I compare the 2 hosts in question all of their WUs with 3946.78 claimed credit have this string in their name. And for them the times/step are pretty constant, as well the ~25% performance advantage for the XP PC with 12.5% more crunching power. The new unit you linked to is a totally different beast. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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To complement my comparison: 616407 (Name 81-KASHIF_HIVPR_mon_ba3-2-100-RND6706_0)
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On your XP machine I can't find a wu similar to the new one you just linked. | |
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The KASHIF tasks seem to take about twice as long as the "older" more standard tasks. On my i7 machine they take 12 to 13 hours which is about double the 6.5 hours of the others. The only downer is that it seems to mess up the DCF some so then ALL tasks from GPU Grid are now rated at 10-15 hours. As I run off the shorter ones the numbers start to fall again. | |
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Apparently that would mean resubmitting the batch and lossing the current results (link). | |
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Apparently that would mean resubmitting the batch and lossing the current results (link). Ah, missed that ... somehow ... it matters little to me one way or t'other | |
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@Zydor: about 55°C with 2 120mm fans at ~500 rpm on an Acceleron S1 Rev 2. Why? Oppps - profuse apologies, I missed the reply - many thanks, no particular reason, just curious as I have a 9800GTX+ running a mild o/c 778/1930/1100X2 @63C. Its in a mid tower case with a four disk raid, and a Phenom2 running at 3.2Ghz, a little cramped re space and airflow. So I expect heat in there to be up a little on the "norm". I am always interested in what others are finding re temperature, never too old to learn from others as they say. Just being careful over time I dont push it too far, I'm not an o/c maniac and dont push to the edges - life's too short for that grief rofl :) Regards Zy | |
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Sounds like a good strategy! My clocks are almost similar: 756 / 1944 / 1070 and I think your temp is quite good. Is it stock cooling at a high fan speed? This is getting a little OT, but interesting nevertheless.. | |
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Message boards : Graphics cards (GPUs) : Vista slower than XP? Yes!