Just a warning for those with weaker/slower GPUs than maybe a 770, the new batch of Gianni is going to take around 30 hours on my 980 TI Classified. That means one of my 980 standards would crunch it in about or less than 47 hours. You can go way down from there. My 730 would not finish one in time. My Quadro K2100M would not finish one in time. Some place between the K2100M and the 980, it the cut-off point on these in cards. Depending on settings and configuration, some cards may just make it or fail it wasting time.

To compare, the 980 TI Classy will do a single task in 8 hours or so, and 2 tasks in 11-13 hours. This Gianni has taking 20 hours for the first 68.5% and I turned the card from 2 tasks to 1 task 12 hours ago when it was looking to try to hit 36 hours or more. The other tasks, even the one Gerard_FXCXCL12RX that was running for those first 8 hours with it did normal time and was scheduled to finish in about 12.5 hours. It has since cycled through the other cards on the system and finished.

If you are running a card that struggles for the wall of time given it on normal Gerard_FXCXCL12RX tasks and occasionally misses or makes it on the MO_MOR or MO_TRV tasks, do not attempt these current GIANNI_D3C36bCHL tasks. Again, I am thinking based on configuration and settings and assuming 24 hour a day crunching, somewhere between a 970 and a 770 might not make it and lower than a 770 it would not.
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I also just had one lock my system up and error out on a dual 980 system after 13 hours of running. It took 2 reboots, second one being a hard boot, to get it back up and running aborting the task naturally (didn't hit abort task).

https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15233074

If you are running a card that struggles for the wall of time given it on normal Gerard_FXCXCL12RX tasks and occasionally misses or makes it on the MO_MOR or MO_TRV tasks, do not attempt these current GIANNI_D3C36bCHL tasks. Again, I am thinking based on configuration and settings and assuming 24 hour a day crunching, somewhere between a 970 and a 770 might not make it and lower than a 770 it would not.

Earlier this morning I've seen the error rates for gianni around 90% and now it's in the 80's.

I have a 960 that completes tasks just fine though in under 24 hours, but I got an error last night due to a power outage.

If I get a gianni task, I'll report how it goes here if you want.


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Sounds good. I was just warning about the length, not really the error rate til I noticed that. Often times new tasks get errors when first run and a bug is fixed for the rest of them, so that isn't a concern of mine. the length on some cards not being able to do them in time was what the warning was really about. But thanks.

Oh, I didn't know the errors got fixed liked that, thanks for letting me know!

And no prob, will gladly keep my eye out.
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Looks like the one I was running that was going to go longer than 30 hours as 2 tasks per card was able to be reduced to 28.2 hours after it ran the last 10 or so hours as a single task on that card. Still stand by anything 770 or below would not finish and 770 to 970 might come close depending on config and settings. I think this as 2 per card would have been 32-34 hours on the 980 TI Classified clocked at 3005mem and 1430mhz clock speed.

https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15233076

439,250.00 credit by the way, so good accurate recompense for reward compared to those done in half the time for just more than half the credit.

12 have finished. Does anyone have feedback on what card and how long it took? As long as I am making a warning for these, I'd like to make it accurate with feedback. Especially if they are going to continue to come out and be this large 0computationally. Thanks.

I just finished one of these units on my windows 10 computer:

e2s7_e1s51p0f618-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND2166_0 11693869 13 Aug 2016 | 19:38:10 UTC 14 Aug 2016 | 13:35:27 UTC Completed and validated 63,577.01 63,348.98 527,100.00 Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card) v8.48 (cuda65)


http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15235031


These units seem to be very CPU dependent. The GPU and power usage are slightly lower than the GERARD_FXCXCL12RX units.

I have three running on my hosts.
On a GTX980Ti the task properties show 6.48% per hour, which estimates 15h 25m 56s, but just now I've reduced the number of CPU tasks to 1, so it's a bit faster from now.

Earlier this morning I've seen the error rates for gianni around 90% and now it's in the 80's.

Often times new tasks get errors when first run and a bug is fixed for the rest of them...

Oh, I didn't know the errors got fixed liked that, thanks for letting me know!

I just downloaded a new task and it's a gianni task. (first one)

I have still a bit to go on my current Gerard task, though.

Would you like me to link you all to my result once it's complete? Maybe that can help others?

Your choice.






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Would you like me to link you all to my result once it's complete?

Would you like me to link you all to my result once it's complete?

There's no need for that as your computers are not hidden, so anyone can see and browse your hosts and results.
But you can do it by courtesy if you want to make our job easier :)

I just finished one of these units on my windows 10 computer:

e2s7_e1s51p0f618-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND2166_0 11693869 13 Aug 2016 | 19:38:10 UTC 14 Aug 2016 | 13:35:27 UTC Completed and validated 63,577.01 63,348.98 527,100.00 Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card) v8.48 (cuda65)


http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15235031


These units seem to be very CPU dependent. The GPU and power usage are slightly lower than the GERARD_FXCXCL12RX units.

Here is an example of this unit type running on a computer with an older and slower CPU and motherboard:

e2s4_e1s51p0f710-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND6774_0 11693866 13 Aug 2016 | 19:40:23 UTC 15 Aug 2016 | 1:36:12 UTC Completed and validated 104,399.86 100,946.40 439,250.00 Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card) v8.48 (cuda65)

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15235028

BTW, CONGRATS on kicking my tukus getting to 3,000,000,000! :-)

e4s30_e1s26p0f463-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND6365_0 15h 6m 47s (54.407s) 980Ti/XP
e3s119_e1s26p0f620-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND0388_0 14h 58m 29s (53.909s) 980Ti/XP
e3s65_e1s13p0f646-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND3014_0 22h 18m 2s (80.282s) 980/XP

I have the feeling of that the length of these workunits is set to the performance level of the GTX 1080.

These long WUs have an extra caution: if there's any kind of power glitch, the app has a very good chance of causing the WU to error out. The app really needs to be fixed, but wonder if it's ever going to happen. Looks like the Gianni will finish on my super-clocked (factory) 750Ti in about 60 hours. Obviously too late for any bonuses and also at risk of power glitches due to the faulty app. I've sadly started aborting the rest of the Giannis. :-(

As previously requested, a separate queue would be nice. Also probably not going to happen.

These units seem to be very CPU dependent. The GPU and power usage are slightly lower than the GERARD_FXCXCL12RX units.

...the new batch of Gianni is going to take around 30 hours on my 980 TI Classified. That means one of my 980 standards would crunch it in about or less than 47 hours.

...15h 6m 47s (54.407s) 980Ti/XP
...14h 58m 29s (53.909s) 980Ti/XP
...22h 18m 2s (80.282s) 980/XP

I have the feeling of that the length of these workunits is set to the performance level of the GTX 1080.

Obviously too late for any bonuses

Just finished a Gianni that took almost two full days on a 960.

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15235099

Took a long time, but it worked and didn't fail.

Just finished a Gianni that took almost two full days on a 960.

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15235099

Took a long time, but it worked and didn't fail.

...15h 6m 47s (54.407s) 980Ti/XP
...14h 58m 29s (53.909s) 980Ti/XP
...22h 18m 2s (80.282s) 980/XP

Maybe all things being equal the card does have more to do with it as well. Though I am noticing that the longest time was on an i7 CPU 870 @ 2.93GHz,

the shortest is on an i7-4930K CPU @ 3.40GHz, and the one similar in length to the short one is on an i3-4160 CPU @ 3.60GHz. Is there a difference in settings, usage of other processes, or whatever else that is different between the i7-4930K and the i3-4160 that would make the 3.6Ghz slightly slower than the 3.4Ghz one both on 980TIs (like pcie speed on the mobo, etc)?

Just finished a Gianni that took almost two full days on a 960.

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15235099

Took a long time, but it worked and didn't fail.

It looks like 38 hours. Good job!

When I added that one had errored and there was a high error rate I was not taking into account the error rate being higher when they first release because that is all they have is the fast errors and not the ones that actually can complete yet. Zoltan pointed that out to me above. But as also mentioned, they are fragile, so any power glitch or anything has the potential to cause an error. I have errored out 2 so far, but that isn't even the majority of my errors recently. But when they do error, they cause the system to fail and need a reboot and also affect others running if they are on the same card or system. So being more fragile, I have clocked all the cards on my most problematic system down to zero overclocking above the factory boost and am hoping that helps. I had it that way for 2 days and turned it back up today and went 2 days without error. lol That will slow them down a bit, but they are already going to be over 24 hours, so what is an extra hour to 28-30 anyway?

Either way, I don't think the "error rate" on these is an issue UNLESS you have one. At that point, one is too much. The time is the issue and why I put out the warning.

Obviously too late for any bonuses

Even the 35 hour ones award 439,250 credit which is a bonus in relation to the credit that would be awarded to any other WU in current production for that time.

Does anyone know how long it takes for projects with these kind of problems to be fixed? (the gianni project)

I've been casually lurking and see a lot of people having problems with the gianni project.

I have to say I'm at 20 hours with windows xp, 90% gpu usage, and I still have quite a bit to go on the gianni... (only at 53% complete)

Thanks.

p.s. I'll still post the results once it's done.


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Does anyone know how long it takes for projects with these kind of problems to be fixed? (the gianni project)

I've been casually lurking and see a lot of people having problems with the gianni project.

I have to say I'm at 20 hours with windows xp, 90% gpu usage, and I still have quite a bit to go on the gianni... (only at 53% complete)

Thanks.

p.s. I'll still post the results once it's done.

failures due to excessive over clocking probably.

failures due to excessive over clocking probably.

The failures have nothing at all to do with overclocking. They're due to an app that can't recover from outages such as power failures.

Zoltan, that's why I asked. Slower CPU and GPU would make the it significantly slower on tasks. Also OS changes may affect things too.

Bedrich, I have had issues with swan_sync on every system I have tried it on. I slows all the processes to a point that it makes the system unusable. Most of the systems I access remotely with Teamviewer and I am not sure if remoting in is affected by the setting or if it is a program or setting I have on all the systems, but I have chosen not to use it. While I was using it for that short time a few tasks completed and did not show improvement and in fact were slower across them all. I was not willing to experiment or investigate at that time and just gave up. My memory being what it is, I can only conclude that the problems were worse than the potential benefit for me to not take on the challenge. I like challenges when it comes to PCs usually.

Beyond, I am not sure what you are saying, but a 20% bonus would be on the less than 24 hour ones that award 527,100, not the ones over 24 that award 439,250. And if a Gerard or Adria took the same amount of time you would get around 200,000, so there is more awarded for these longer units.

Logan, I am not sure if this length issue is considered a problem. The error rate may actually be one though. I think it usually takes one of the forum volunteer moderators to contact someone on the inside to get an issue resolved, which is one reason why we have them to help us and the project and let the scientists and students keep their time on the work.
I ask the mods now, if you haven't already, please contact someone about the error issue with these and inquire about shortening the units as well for the sake of our cards and times, or take Beyond's idea of adding a new level of maybe "Very Long Tasks" for new tasks created for the series 10 NVIDIA cards. After I posted the comment about the error rate possibly not being an accurate length of time to tell if they are erroring out more or not I had 4 error out on me across 2 different systems all GIANNI totaling almost 45.75 hours of work before they errored out. Maybe I am noticing it more and brought undue attention to it too early or maybe there is something to it, but would like some feedback as well on if there is a potential issue, if so can it be corrected, and possibly has it already been corrected and we are just erroring out the old broken ones. Thanks.

failures due to excessive over clocking probably.

The failures have nothing at all to do with overclocking. They're due to an app that can't recover from outages such as power failures.

There is no proof of that. However, even if it was the case, how many power outages do you have?

Beyond, I am not sure what you are saying, but a 20% bonus would be on the less than 24 hour ones that award 527,100, not the ones over 24 that award 439,250. And if a Gerard or Adria took the same amount of time you would get around 200,000, so there is more awarded for these longer units.

I ask the mods now, if you haven't already, please contact someone about the error issue with these and inquire about shortening the units as well for the sake of our cards and times, or take Beyond's idea of adding a new level of maybe "Very Long Tasks" for new tasks created for the series 10 NVIDIA cards. After I posted the comment about the error rate possibly not being an accurate length of time to tell if they are erroring out more or not I had 4 error out on me across 2 different systems all GIANNI totaling almost 45.75 hours of work before they errored out.

Will that influence other projects I'm running?
I got a 4 core i5, with 3 cores (that is 75%) running CPU WCG tasks and the last one remaining for GPUGRID and POEM@Home (when no GPUGRID are available).

Alright all, thanks for clearing some things up for me.

Here's my results:

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15236421


Took about 1 day and 14 hours, but hey, I got a decent amount of credit for how long it took.

Hope the result helps someone

Cheers,

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Took about 1 day and 14 hours, but hey, I got a decent amount of credit for how long it took

Will that influence other projects I'm running?
I got a 4 core i5, with 3 cores (that is 75%) running CPU WCG tasks and the last one remaining for GPUGRID and POEM@Home (when no GPUGRID are available).

failures due to excessive over clocking probably.

The failures have nothing at all to do with overclocking. They're due to an app that can't recover from outages such as power failures.

There is no proof of that. However, even if it was the case, how many power outages do you have?

Frequent but usually only for a few seconds. Long enough to wreak havoc with computers. You should be thankful that you live in an area that's more reliable. The proof is that there's about a 50% failure rate when this happens. Zoltan has posted about the problem too. If you won't believe anyone else, maybe you'll believe him. BTW, other than some factory OCs, none of my cards are OCed. In fact some are down-clocked.

I am sorry for your power outages, thought that the USA was beyond such things. In this part of the UK we count power outages in YEARS although there was a 2 day one last December due to flooding of a substation which is the longest power outage in my 64 year history, guess we're just lucky.

Actually the most frequent reason for outages seems to be lightning strikes on the further out above ground lines. It's improved from a couple years ago when there used to be a few seconds outage almost every day at 7am.

Frequent but usually only for a few seconds. Long enough to wreak havoc with computers. You should be thankful that you live in an area that's more reliable. The proof is that there's about a 50% failure rate when this happens. Zoltan has posted about the problem too. If you won't believe anyone else, maybe you'll believe him. BTW, other than some factory OCs, none of my cards are OCed. In fact some are down-clocked.

Even put 1 on my fridge after a surge took out a $600 control board but that's another story.

A quality UPS would solve that issue if you could do it. We have momentary glitches and surges where I live also. I bit the bullet and put UPSs on all 8 of my DC machines 1 at a time. Even put 1 on my fridge after a surge took out a $600 control board but that's another story.

The Gianni finally finished on my 750Ti:

https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15236288

It took just under 62 hours, not a good fit. Interesting, it previously failed on someone's 980Ti that's usually ok for the Gerards:

https://www.gpugrid.net/workunit.php?wuid=11694702

For some reason GPUGrid thinks that my two 650Ti cards are the best candidates for the Gianni WUs. Just had to abort another one. They run the Gerard_FX WUs in an average of about 34 hours so always made the 2 day deadline but they'd be ridiculous on the Giannis.

The one thing, I noticed is your CPU time is lot lower the the run time:
Run time 136,638.91
CPU time 20,414.34
Which indicates to me that you are not using the SWAN_SYNC 1, which can reduce your run time.

There have been several WUs by Gianni in the recent past. They are really huge and result in a nice credit, but no GPU below a 980Ti can crunch them within 24 hours and get the 20% extra credit.
One of my hosts is a GTX970 - which it took some 36 hours at ~1360MHz.
Hence, a change in this 24hrs rule would be desireable :-)

So it looks like a GTX970 (at stock on a weak system) will take 31 to 32h to crunch these on Linux-x64. That suggests the WDDM overhead for these is at least
12.5% but probably closer to 16%.

Note that the bonus is +25% for finishing (and reporting) inside 48h or +50% for finishing and reporting inside 24h.

So it looks like a GTX970 (at stock on a weak system) will take 31 to 32h to crunch these on Linux-x64. That suggests the WDDM overhead for these is at least 12.5% but probably closer to 16%.

A GTX980 is ~17% faster (stock) than a GTX970 so would still take over 24h to complete on Linux (over 26h). If it was overclocked by ~10% then it might be able to just about complete inside 24h if the system was tuned to do so (SWAN_SYNC used, high CPU clock and fast RAM...).

I got one on my laptop. Windows 8.1 64bit, i7-4900MQ, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadro K2100M @802Mhz mem @ 2504, swan_sync off. At 13.5% now and started as soon as it downloaded, it looks like 15:45 has passed and it might make the 5 day deadline by just squeezing through! We shall see, but it looks good at this point. I've never had a WU fail on this laptop except for downloading errors or crashes related to other programs or my own dumb experimentation with things like swan_sync (lol)

There is also a good chance that after this summer shake-down cruise, the real work units in the fall won't be so long. I am hoping, and expecting, that a GTX 970 under Linux can handle them, though maybe not a 960. Otherwise, there will be some discontented people around here.

Well, what we also hope - I guess - is that there will be enough WUs available anytime around the clock. For the past several months, the situation was far away from that.

These are some observations with systems I have working the GIANNI work units - from GTX 770, 780 and 970

Well, what we also hope - I guess - is that there will be enough WUs available anytime around the clock.

very annoying:
after some 20 hrs on my GTX750Ti client, a Gianni WU broke off, indicating a "computation error".
I was kind of suspicious anyway when I saw that this host had caught a Gianni WU. Since at that time it had run for several hours already, I decided not to stop it.
However, next time I will definitely do so. I guess that the Gianni tasks are no good for GPUs below a GTX970 (or maybe 960).
Somehow, these WUs should be programmed for NOT being downloaded on a GTX750Ti or below.

I just finished one of these units on my windows 10 computer:

e2s7_e1s51p0f618-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND2166_0 11693869 13 Aug 2016 | 19:38:10 UTC 14 Aug 2016 | 13:35:27 UTC Completed and validated 63,577.01 63,348.98 527,100.00 Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card) v8.48 (cuda65)


http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15235031


These units seem to be very CPU dependent. The GPU and power usage are slightly lower than the GERARD_FXCXCL12RX units.

Here is an example of this unit type running on a computer with an older and slower CPU and motherboard:

e2s4_e1s51p0f710-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND6774_0 11693866 13 Aug 2016 | 19:40:23 UTC 15 Aug 2016 | 1:36:12 UTC Completed and validated 104,399.86 100,946.40 439,250.00 Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card) v8.48 (cuda65)

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15235028

It's ironic that running the longest tasks simultaneously would be the most beneficial in terms of throughput (for some).

I got one on my laptop. Windows 8.1 64bit, i7-4900MQ, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadro K2100M @802Mhz mem @ 2504, swan_sync off. At 13.5% now and started as soon as it downloaded, it looks like 15:45 has passed and it might make the 5 day deadline by just squeezing through! We shall see, but it looks good at this point. I've never had a WU fail on this laptop except for downloading errors or crashes related to other programs or my own dumb experimentation with things like swan_sync (lol)

I would agree that these task are more fragile than most of the other tasks.

So far I had 2 fail on my computers:

e24s139_e8s176p0f481-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND3252_0 11708469 26 Aug 2016 | 21:50:04 UTC 27 Aug 2016 | 10:56:02 UTC Error while computing 45,236.39 45,090.61 --- Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card) v8.48 (cuda65)

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15256435

e8s162_e3s57p0f378-GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1-0-1-RND5354_0 11697156 17 Aug 2016 | 9:52:12 UTC 17 Aug 2016 | 11:40:21 UTC Error while computing 2,516.73 2,505.53 --- Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card) v8.48 (cuda65)

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=15239786

In both cases it was this error:

ERROR: file force.cpp line 513: TCL evaluation of [calcforces]
07:42:49 (5856): called boinc_finish

I was running both failed tasks at 1 CPU and 1 GPU mode, and the same speeds as the other tasks. Nothing was different.


Though, I do have, so far, 15 completed and valid, and 2 more still crunching.

I have gotten only one GIANNI_D3C on a GTX 960 (Ubuntu 16.04), and it ran for 39 hours. Considering that is within the 48 hour bonus limit, that is OK with me once in a while. It used 16% of a i7-4790 core, with the other seven cores on other BOINC projects.

The GERARD_FXCXCL12RX average about 16 hours on this card, and use about 9% CPU. But this card (an MSI) is only minimally factory overclocked, which helps stability.

Hello,

I have one of these GIANNI WU, on my GTX 850M, it will take 72 hours (Currently I am at 70 % after 50 hours). Does it exist a setting to avoid those WU ?

Thanks.


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Hello,

I have one of these GIANNI WU, on my GTX 850M, it will take 72 hours (Currently I am at 70 % after 50 hours). Does it exist a setting to avoid those WU ?

Thanks.

Thanks.

Sorry, I will go to Prime Grid, its too long for my graphics cards (I have also a desktop with a GTX 580).

I just had a GIANNI_D3C36bCHL1 fail after 34 1/2 hours on a GTX 960 (Ubuntu 16.04). I have never seen this error before.
The card is only minimally factory overclocked, and runs at 70C, so I don't think it is a hardware problem.