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I use EVGA Precision software http://www.evga.com/precision/ to control both EVGA and Gigabyte cards. Supposed to work with all Nvidia cards. In one case which does not have good airflow, I run one card at the 90% power setting. This will auto undervolt (and underclock as a result) the card a little bit. This is one simple way to reduce the stress on the card. | |
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Hello I use EVGA Precision software http://www.evga.com/precision/ to control both EVGA and Gigabyte cards. Supposed to work with all Nvidia cards. In one case which does not have good airflow, I run one card at the 90% power setting. This will auto undervolt (and underclock as a result) the card a little bit. This is one simple way to reduce the stress on the card. Hello I use the GPU Tweak software, which also allows you to control the fan speed, but mostly I've kept in "auto". I do not know which is the optimal operating temperature of a graphics card but I guess that values below 65 or 66 degrees Celsius would be the safest. Could you explain to me how I can do this?: "I run one card at the 90% power setting. This will auto undervolt (and underclock as a result) the card a little bit. This is one simple way to reduce the stress on the card." Before I had a very bad air flow, I have now changed the case and now I have good air flow but also interested me to protect my new graphics card with your simple way to reduce the stress on the card. Tanks for your answer. | |
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In the EVGA Precision software it is as easy as sliding a bar. Older cards have the "linked" unchecked and unable to check such as the 460 (could not set temp targets). So I just slide the Power Target to 90% in above situation. I have since moved it to 105% as I fixed the airflow problem I had with my case situation. | |
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That's some very good advice from Jeremy! I'm running my GTX660Ti at a reduced power target (108 W instead of 130 W - but the software will only show percentages). In additiioin to this I'm applying a 50 MHz GPU overclock, as I know the card can still take it. This way I'm saving power and running more energy-efficient due to the lower voltage automatically applied. In addition to this I have the memory OC'ed slightly, as this boosts performance somewhat while costing pretty much nothing. | |
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My home server has been crunching with BOINC for several years uninterrupted. Never had any problem whatsoever, even in the hot Greek summers.
High-quality, high-efficiency power supply. Very good airflow
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As Vagelis says "High-quality, high-efficiency power supply" and "Very good airflow" are two very important keys. "High quality components" though sort of depends on how often you want to get your hands dirty working to keep the pc running. I personally fix pc's for friends and get their old parts instead of money in return, those are alot of the harddrives etc I use for my machines, they tend to crash more often then new ones, I also buy refurbished harddrives and they too tend to crash more often then brand new ones. But I do monthly backups of my Boinc only machines so if they crash I am only down for a couple of hours and then right back up again with the only thing being lost are the units. I have been crunching 24/7 since 1999 and although those original machines are no longer crunching, I do have machines that are at least 5 years old and still going strong. Most of my pc's, I have 15 here at home, have gpu's in them and all of them crunch 24/7, most of the time even when I am on vacation. While Boinc is stressful it is not doing anything to the chip that it wasn't designed to do in the first place. Overclocking and all that kind of stuff can damage a chip, but as you are reading about those that do that stuff here at Boinc you will also see that they are not willy nilly overclocking their chips, they are doing it with care and thought. They are not trying to just get max performance, they are trying to get better performance intelligently. | |
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Does anyone know if in the future GPUGrid also worked with graphics cards AMD Radeon? If this happens it would be interesting. No. They tried to in the past, but results were bad. Things have probably improved, but the GPU-Grid app is comparably complex, so porting it to OpenCL (as would be neccessary for AMD GPUs) and afterwards maintaining 2 separate code paths (OpenCL and CUDA) would require significantly more man-power. Which they'd rather use for science, as long as nVidia GPUs are enough for them. And dropping CUDA entirely in favor of OpenCL is surely not an option either, as this would make the nVidias run slower and less efficient. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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Hello | |
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Nah, as long as we can simulate we will :) There are no plans for closing down GPUGRID | |
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There are actually several projects that use GPUs. Off the top of my head, I am connected to the following projects that issue GPU tasks: | |
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There are actually several projects that use GPUs. Off the top of my head, I am connected to the following projects that issue GPU tasks: DistRTgen is one that you missed, so are Moo, Asteroids, PrimeGrid and Collatz. Although not ALL projects can use AMD cards. For credits DistRTgen absolutely hands down pays the most, but it favors the high end cards the most too. Each project is different and each uses your gpu slightly differently, some get close to 90+% usage on just one unit, some you can run multiple units at once on with no problems. | |
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On my newer 780Ti cards, I unlink the power and temp target and leave Power at 105%, Temp at 72, and Prioritize Temp. That way, it will run full boost for SANTI WU's, and will throttle back on a combination of warm days and NOELIA WU's to keep it from going past 72 (even when fans have moved to 100%) if needed. Jeremy, Thanks for this tip! I've only ever used Precision X for monitoring the cards so the settings were at default, but I tried your tweaks and instantly saw some improvement from one card which was always powering down to base clock speeds. It is now properly applying boost as it should. ____________ | |
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DistRTgen is one that you missed, so are Moo, ... PrimeGrid and Collatz. And *some* will question the scientific value of these projects ;) MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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DistRTgen is one that you missed, so are Moo, ... PrimeGrid and Collatz. Those projects might be backed by power companies ;-) Some of them don't provide any value, just waste power... | |
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DistRTgen is one that you missed, so are Moo, ... PrimeGrid and Collatz. I wasn't trying to do an evaluation, just provide the names of some other gpu projects. | |
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I agree with Mikey. Let's let the users decide what they want to attach to. I had just provided a list of ones I was quite familiar with, because I run them. Mikey added others that I was less familiar with, because I don't run them. | |
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do you think the EVGA card can work well for Boinc on an Asus motherboard ? The brands of the motherboard and graphics card don't make a difference as long as they're compatible. I use EVGA cards and an ASUS motherboard in my rig. Another question: any of these three graphics cards can run on a pc with an AMD FX- 8350 processor and with a power supplie of 850 Watts 80 + Gold? 850W should be enough depending on what else you're powering. I previously ran two GTX680s and i7-3770k on a 750W power supply with no problems. Here's a link to a pretty good calculator for determining PSU needs: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp ____________ | |
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Hello I was reading the other day and found that the difference between Gold power supplies and Bronze ones is the heat they put out. Gold ones put out less heat then Bronze ones, I ALWAYS thought it had to do with the quality of the unit, but it doesn't, at least not in the way I thought. | |
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Hello The reason the Bronze put out more heat than Gold is because they are not as electrically efficient, and Platinum is more efficient than Gold so there is another drop in heat output there as well for a given load. The better the quality of the power supply, the more of the electrical current that is put to use powering your computer and the less that is converted to/lost as heat. This should decrease the total power you're drawing from the wall over time. That's my understanding of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus ____________ | |
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In my opinion EVGA are the best graphic cards around, and they work with any motherboard. | |
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For GPUGrid a GTX660Ti is faster than a GTX660. | |
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Hello Yes, the EVGA card with ACX cooling has two axial fans as opposed to a single radial fan. These fans are typically quieter than a single radial fan, but will dump more heat into your computer case. | |
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Hello skgiven has put together a good chart of the relative performance of various cards on this project. Looks like the 660Ti outperforms 660 as one might expect. http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1150&nowrap=true#35696 | |
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GTX660/Ti aren't so bad. It doesn't matter that they were introduced in 2012, as even the current GTX760 and GTX770 use the same chip, just in a different configuration. Apart from GTX750/Ti anything you can buy today from nvidia is either Kepler (just like GTX660/Ti) or even still a Fermi (some low end models). And if in a year the bigger Maxwells are far better than the card you're getting now you can still sell it as relatively new. Mikey wrote: I wasn't trying to do an evaluation, just provide the names of some other gpu projects. I know. And I thought Jacobs list was pretty decent because it featured the - from my point of view - most useful projects. Call it unintentional evaluation by him, as he's surely not participating in projects he doesn't find as useful. And I added that smiley to hint at "there is potential for quite some discussion here" without starting to go into details. Just trying to make people, who may not be as familiar with the projects contents, aware that there are large differences. And I must confess that it's very important to me to warn people of Moo. There is absolutely no useful knowledge to be gained from running this project - and this is an objective fact. I accept the value of all other GPU projects to be up to debate and personal preferences. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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I know. And I thought Jacobs list was pretty decent because it featured the - from my point of view - most useful projects. Call it unintentional evaluation by him, as he's surely not participating in projects he doesn't find as useful. To be honest, I like the scientific research of protein analysis. I prefer GPUGrid because they pay great credits, but I think I also equally prefer World Community Grid (they had a Help Conquer Cancer GPU project that was awesome), and POEM (which hardly ever has GPU tasks). Those projects keep my GTX 660 Ti and my GTX 460 busy. And then there's my GTS 240. It can't do much, for sure, but... it CAN do Einstein/Albert/SETI/SETIbeta (all 4 are projects that I'd normally not do). So, I have those 4 projects resource share set to 0 (so I otherwise won't get tasks, especially CPU tasks), and then whenever my GTS 240 needs a new task, it gets it from one of those 4 projects. For those 4 projects, Einstein/Albert/SETI/SETIbeta, I used to have the resource share at 1, so server requests could get more than a single task at a time. And I also had GPU Exclusions in place to not ever crunch them on my 2 beefier GPUs... but then GPUGrid ran out of work recently, the main GPUs went idle, and I had a sadface. So... I juggled things around a bit, such that they are not excluded from my 2 beefier GPUs, but now use a resource share of 0, so they'll run on them if they can't get work from GPUGrid and POEM and WCG. MilkyWay is another project that has GPU tasks, but I actually want to do some of their CPU work (I'm a BOINC Alpha tester, and MilkyWay is one of the only projects to offer MT multi-threaded tasks)... so I keep that project's resource share at the same as my other CPU projects, and then have it configured to not get NVIDIA work. Oh, and because World Community Grid WCG actually has several sub-projects, I have its resource share set at 4 times any of my normal CPU projects, so they do 4 times the work/REC/RAC. Oh again, one other note.. Because I am a BOINC Alpha tester, and VM work is still ongoing, I also go out of my way to attach to any of the VM projects, including: RNA World, Test4Theory, Climate@Home, and Beauty@Home. So, I am regularly crunching RNA World tasks (one of them is at 1250 hours, and still going strong!), and Test4Theory. I've actually helped file and solve some serious bugs with Oracle, to make the latest versions of VirtualBox work smoothly for our BOINC community. With enough patience, and testing, and configuring... BOINC can run any project you want, in almost any way you want. Are we having fun? Thanks for reading. | |
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Are we having fun? Thanks for reading. Haha, sure! And thanks for sharing. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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What fields did you fill in? | |
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You must populate every field except "App/Suite". Also, this thread has nothing to do with Precision-X. Finally, questions regarding Precision-X support should be directed to their forums, not here. Hope this helps, good luck. | |
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I had once trouble with ordering at EVGA site via Internet Explorer, filled in several times, but failed. Then used FireFox and it worked at once. | |
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You may use garbage information. In fact, to test the login, I subscribed [email protected] up. | |
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I have already completed the registration but the system did not send me the email with an activation code, i try again and tells me to use a new user name because he had chosen and was used. The only thing I'm missing to process Boinc project units is this software to control the EVGA video card. | |
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The only thing I'm missing to process Boinc project units is this software to control the EVGA video card. You don't actually need that software to begin crunching on your new card. You only need it if you want to tweak the default settings (clock/memory speed, fan curve, etc.). | |
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Hello | |
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I have already downloaded the EVGA Precision X and I have it installed, I have successfully changed the skin so everything works fine. | |
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Setting the "Power Target" value to a number below 100%, will instruct the GPU to not ramp its clock all the way, when being utilized. So, maybe try 75% Power Target, and hit Apply, if you are that worried? | |
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I do not know how much risk involves processing data GPUGrid project or other projects using the graphics card and I do not know how often is that a graphics card is damaged by processing data from Boinc. | |
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In the time I've been crunching for BOINC, I've used 7 graphics cards in two machines and have never had any of them damaged. As long as you're operating them within safe limits and keeping them as cool as you can, you should be fine. As a general rule for temperature, try keeping them below 75C if they will be running for long periods of time but ideally below 70C. The lower the better. Do some research on your new card to find out all you can about its capabilities and limits. Google is your best friend for that. | |
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I've been running BOINC also for several years, using 5 different GPUs. I prefer to push them as hard as they will go, without adjusting any of their factory-preset voltages. (So, for instance, I will set the Power Target % to 140%, so it'll up-clock as much as it can within voltage tolerance, regardless of Power usage). | |
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Keeping the temps below 70*C is best. I set a custom fan curve in Precision-X, so that it will set the fan at full-speed by the time it gets to 69*C. How long does it stay at 100%? I've always tried to keep the fan no higher than 80% to save wear on those parts. Am I being overly cautious? | |
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My eVGA GTX 660 Ti 3GB FTW... has a fan that only allows settings of 30% to 80%, as witnessed by the yellow dashed lines on the fan curve. My fan curve is set so that it reaches max fan (80%) right before thermal limiting temp (70*C), so... 80% at 69*C. To answer your question, it's usually at 80% 24/7, because I run a hot computer. And I've not experienced any harm running my fans like that. | |
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Thanks, Jacob. That's a lot of good info. | |
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I'm trying to think, in my head, what would happen if you set your fan curve to be at 100% at 69*C. I guess it would mean that the fans would work harder, and your end result would be cooler GPUs, which would be overworking the fans unnecessarily. Hmm... Not sure what I'd do in your scenario. You might want to just try that setting, to see what the end result is -- I'm very curious. Or maybe, since they "usually do okay at around 80% fan", you could try setting a point at 67*C 75%, then another point at 69*C 100%. | |
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On these cards the base clock is 980MHz. GPU0 at full boost goes to 1124MHz and GPU1 goes to 1137MHz at full boost. (My 680s did the same thing: 1 boosted about 1 13MHz "step" more than the other.) GPU1 also seems to run consistently 2 - 3 degrees cooler as well. | |
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I'm jealous of your GPUs :) I would love to have a 700-series, not only for the performance, but to learn more about Boost 2.0 (with the Temperature Target). From what I understand, the user gets to choose one of the target types to be active, and the other target type is completely ignored. But maybe I'm wrong. NVIDIA's webpage is horribly lacking in terms of describing the functionality. http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/gpu-boost-2 | |
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I'm almost positive the thermal dropoff for a 780Ti is 80*C, not 70*C. So, in terms of performance, you could get away with a curve that has 100% fan at 79*C, and it wouldn't thermal downclock. But, if you wanted to keep the GPUs even cooler (for less risk of work unit errors maybe?), you could put the 100% point even lower (like at 74*C, 70*C, or 69*C). That's my opinion at least. | |
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EMYArg: I don't use Avast so I'm not sure what to do in order to successfully download and run GPUGrid tasks. I've never had any trouble with AVG and BOINC projects. | |
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Go into your Avast program and exclude the Boinc folders to keep Avast from checking them. IF there is a virus then it WILL try to get out of the Boinc folders and get caught by Avast, if it is a false positive, as is most likely, you will be fine. Either way the only thing directly affected will be Boinc and if it gets a virus as long as the only one it connects to is the project servers it isn't your problem. As far as gpu crunching I too have been doing it a LONG time and have never adjusted the software beyond the defaults and have never burnt up a video card. I HAVE had some get so gunky the fan slowed down or stopped and it overheated, but the machine shut itself down as opposed to burning up the gpu. I was able to free the fan and get back to crunching with no problems. You can also buy aftermarket fans for your gpu's, but I have not done that either, although the last few gpu's I have bought do have multiple fans on them instead of just a single one. I use both Nvidia and AMD gpu's and on some projects crunch more then one unit at a time, while at other projects one unit at a time keeps the gpu busy. | |
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My eVGA GTX 660 Ti 3GB FTW... has a fan that only allows settings of 30% to 80%, as witnessed by the yellow dashed lines on the fan curve. My fan curve is set so that it reaches max fan (80%) right before thermal limiting temp (70*C), so... 80% at 69*C. To answer your question, it's usually at 80% 24/7, because I run a hot computer. And I've not experienced any harm running my fans like that. Right and we are talking here about an EVGA GTX660, I have two of those and the maximum of the fan is 75% while it actually runs at 74% max. No other program like Precision X, MSI afterburner or Asus GPUTweak can get the fan at 75%. With more rigs in the room the ambient temperature will rise quite quickly when outside becomes warmer and thus is my first EVGA 660 often running at 74°C and 76-78° with an SDOER_BARNA. However after a year 24/7 no issues with the cards, besides a lot of error with SANTI's, but I will replace soon with one GTX780Ti. As it can do little more in the same time as 2 660's ____________ Greetings from TJ | |
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I think that Temperature, GPU Usage, and Power Usage, are all 3 factors that you should care about, if you are worried about wear and tear on your GPU. | |
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I am processing without having changed anything related with voltages or other values, the graphics card is processing with the settings that it had when it came out of its box, so I am surprised that this is processing at 50.3 degrees Celsius when the graphics card Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 650 TI Boost that i had before was never below 70 degrees celcuis. | |
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Regarding 50°C: either your card is not working fully (e.g. because the CPU might be too busy to serve it) or your cooling solution is a bit over-engineered. For your GPU I'd expect a GPU utilization of 85 - 95% running GPU-Grid. If it's significantly below that something is holding your card back. If your cooling is better than usually aimed for by the manufacturer (70 - 80°C).. be happy :) | |
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I don't know what percentage of the graphics card is being used to process units, the EVGA Precision software does not give that information or i have seen. I have a AMD FX-8350 and Boinc Manager configured to use the 87.5 % of the processor cores. The tasks "Long Runs" of GPUGrid end in approximately 11 hours. | |
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Somewhere in the ballpark of 9-11 hours sounds about right. | |
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I already have installed the GPU-Z "GPU Load" is 87 %, i see it as a correct value. In the EVGA Precision X i have all the values to monitor enabled, but I don't know where it shows the percentage of use of the GPU. | |
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To show the "Hardware Monitor" window: | |
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I've already been able to see it, shows a value of use of the GPU from 86% to 88 %, the same as GPU-Z. I had not understood your explanation by problems of language, for that reason couldn't find it. After your last response i've seen. | |
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Ah, so are you good now? | |
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EMYArg, seem like your GPU is running well! And this temperature is excellent for air cooling. If the GPU fails under such conditions, it was very likely a chip which would have failed early anyway (seldom but not impossible). I wrote about this somewhere in the beginning of this thread. | |
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I am still processing normally. Winter is now beginning, I have to wait until November to begin the warm days of summer, in those days I will know how good is the cooling that i have. | |
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If at 20°C ambient temperature the GPU runs at 50°C it's a good estimate that it will run at 60°C in 30°C ambient temperature. This assumes constant fan speeds, which might not be the case. | |
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Hello You could drop your CPU temps significantly using a better cooler like the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO or the Xigmatek SD128264 Aegir. I use the Xigmatek on my main systems and at full load the core temps are only 17 DegC higher than idle temps on my 1090T's running push/pull fans on it. | |
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