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Message 26713 - Posted: 27 Aug 2012 | 13:29:02 UTC
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Do this because it is worthwhile; however, I am also competitive and results driven. I know the tail should not wag the dog but,I bought a GTX 580 solely for this project.

Can't even finish a WU in less than 24 hrs. :(

My RAC is dropping like a lead balloon.

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Message 26714 - Posted: 27 Aug 2012 | 16:14:54 UTC
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Yes, your 450 is a bit on the slow side but you already new that :-)
It looks like the WUs running on your 580 are finishing in less than 24 hours it is that your cache is pulling new WUs as soon as the it can so they sit for a while and your 450 exacerbates the situation. For that rig you will be better off reducing the cached, pulling the 450, and run the 580 in the first slot to get the full speed of PCIEx16. If you are run with 2 cores free (1 per GPU) and you leave it that way I'm going to guess that you'll easily make more points overall (and who doesn't like a nice RAC) when you start to regularly collect time bonuses.
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Message 26721 - Posted: 27 Aug 2012 | 22:33:24 UTC

I had that problem before, reduce your cache in BOINC to 0.01 or 0.05 days and it will only request a new task right before the current one finishes.

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Message 26739 - Posted: 28 Aug 2012 | 19:31:49 UTC
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Thanks for the hints. I have adjusted my caches, good tip. However, the problem is not with my rig. I regularly turn in over 300,000 points per day. I think I am #1 in RAC for KWSN team by a long margin.

I did run some WUs with only the 580 GTX in place and then with the both the 580 and 450 GTS installed, no degradation to the 580's processing time, although the BOINC system reports I have 2 450s in place, whatever.

I use the 450 to pre-crunch the WU and then transfer it to the 580 to finish in less time. I am SWAN_Synced and optimized as far as my knowledge and budget will permit.

My minor whinge is that is that a PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS will not finish in less than 24 hours on a 580 GTX. To use modern parlance:

What's up with that? .

That is why I am unhappy.

My EVGA 660 Ti will be here in 2 days, watch this space

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Message 26742 - Posted: 28 Aug 2012 | 20:57:08 UTC - in response to Message 26739.

even if you free one cpu core for gpugrid?

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Message 26745 - Posted: 29 Aug 2012 | 0:22:41 UTC - in response to Message 26739.

My EVGA 660 Ti will be here in 2 days, watch this space


SC or FTW? Keep me posted, as I am wondering if I shall ask a friend of mine to bring me one from the USA in October?

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Message 26746 - Posted: 29 Aug 2012 | 3:22:08 UTC

gdf, I have 2 of 4 cores free.

Klepel, I bought it from the EVGA website just the plain base 660 TI, this was the only variety in stock. Model number is 02G-P4-3660-KR. I wanted an FTW but all enhanced 660 TIs were marked "Notify me". I hit the buy now button while there were still some available. You might have noticed I am slightly impatient. (Also, its a luxury at $300)

I will keep you updated.

Appreciate all the support,

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Message 26748 - Posted: 29 Aug 2012 | 10:11:58 UTC - in response to Message 26742.

even if you free one cpu core for gpugrid?

No.
These PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS won't use a full CPU core.
They can easily spot from my host's tasklist, as their CPU time is much less than the corresponding GPU time.

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Message 26749 - Posted: 30 Aug 2012 | 6:45:04 UTC

afaik SWAN_SYNC is no longer necessary for max performance. Somebody know for sure?

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Message 26752 - Posted: 1 Sep 2012 | 15:55:24 UTC
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660 Ti installed and running with driver 306.02. At present a PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS has completed approx 16.5% in 3 hrs So we can expect the WU to finish in a little over 19 hours.

No other graphics cards installed and no other BOINC WUs running.
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Message 26753 - Posted: 1 Sep 2012 | 17:36:06 UTC - in response to Message 26749.
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afaik SWAN_SYNC is no longer necessary for max performance. Somebody know for sure?

This variable is handled internally by the CUDA4.2 client. For example, the CUDA4.2 client runs with low CPU usage on my Fermi GPUs without any noticeable performance loss, but it uses a full CPU core on Kepler based cards, except for the PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS series of workunits. I think some setting (regarding the SWAN_SYNC behavior) was wrong upon generating these workunits.
For example: while the NATHAN_RPS1120528 and NATHAN_RPS1120801_N use very little CPU time on Fermi GPUs, and use the same amount of CPU and GPU time on Kepler GPUs, these PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS use much more CPU time on Fermi GPUs, roughly the same amount of CPU time as on Kepler GPUs (but it's much less than the GPU time taken).

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Message 26754 - Posted: 1 Sep 2012 | 17:41:55 UTC - in response to Message 26752.
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660 Ti installed and running with driver 306.02. At present a PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS has completed approx 16.5% in 3 hrs So we can expect the WU to finish in a little over 19 hours.

No other graphics cards installed and no other BOINC WUs running.

Supporting my theory explained in my previous post, the lesser Kepler GPUs suffer less performance loss with these PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS than the faster ones.

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Message 26755 - Posted: 2 Sep 2012 | 4:32:58 UTC


Supporting my theory ...... the lesser Kepler GPUs suffer less performance loss with these PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS than the faster ones.


Lesser? Careful you might offend my brand new GPU!

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Message 26766 - Posted: 2 Sep 2012 | 9:55:02 UTC - in response to Message 26755.


Supporting my theory ...... the lesser Kepler GPUs suffer less performance loss with these PAOLA_3EKO_8LIGANDS than the faster ones.

Lesser? Careful you might offend my brand new GPU!

Sorry for being dubious, I didn't mean to offend your brand new GPU. Your GTX660Ti's progress report called my GT 630's performance in my mind. (it's not a Kepler, but let's consider it a typo) :)

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