In the past I have noticed that PS3Grid workunits take about 140% CPU (as seen from the TOP command.) Occasionally this drops down to 100% or less but never reaches the typical 140% mark again unless I completely uninstall the entire BOINC program and then reinstall BOINC all over again.

There is one commonality in all of this (and the same occurred in the past when I used the pen drive) yoyo@home. For some reason YoYo@home workunits are very unstable on my PS3. To me it seems that BOINC does not release all of the CPU back to PS3Grid when it restarts. YoYo@home is my backup project when PS3Grid goes down. But nearly always, BOINC Manager or PS3Grid is corrupt after a yoyo@home WU starts (and eventually fails).

So my question is this, does anyone else see this particular problem happen to them? and, is this a BOINC Manager problem or a PS3GRID/YOYO problem?

Tim

Also, I\'m going to try and let the current PS3Grid WU finish but it is already at 28 hours and running between 90-100% CPU, if it appears that it will not make it I\'ll probably abort and then reinstall *again*.

Hi,

I have 2 units. I performed the same YDL install (patches etc) on both boxes.

UNIT #1 has run PS3GRID, YoYo and Folding. Right now it is crunching a \"Gramicidin\" Wu at ~148%

UNIT #2 has only run PS3GRID. Right now it is running a \"Full Atom\" Wu at ~118%.

Maybe the CPU usage is tied to the new Wu\'s??? Or you have another problem.

Hi,
Maybe the CPU usage is tied to the new Wu\'s??? Or you have another problem.

Here is an update: my current PS3GRID WU has been crunching at ~100% CPU for 42 hours now. I have no idea if any work is actually being done or if the CPU is simply spinning in circles. There is something going on here. Does anyone from the project (ie. someone who *should* take this project seriously) know why this has happened?

This is clearly a problem but nothing has changed over the last few months. This project is seriously lacking a leader and that\'s really too bad because there is so much potential here to do some good. Try not to give me the standby response of \"sorry for the problems, this is a BETA project you know!\" That\'s BS, if this were a BETA project then perhaps our fearless leader would be interested in the problems that this project has. Instead, problems with WU\'s occur often without a fix in sight or as often is the case, work is lacking in the first place (see the server, again!)

The bottom line is this: the contributors to this project deserve a voice in this but too often there is no one around to listen and if there is I get the feeling that that certain someone wouldn\'t give a second thought to it in the first place. Sir, there is something wrong with either the BOINC build or your program, it\'s time to figure out what that is.

Timothy

Another update:

At the 48 hour mark I rebooted my PS3. Upon restart a couple of things occurred, first; PS3Grid \"lost\" 30 hours of work, meaning it fell back to its last checkpoint (obviously this was a bad WU and probably a bad app and even probably a bad BOINC build)

Second, even when the PS3Grid WU was running it was taking no CPU resources, meaning it is now dead. I suspended this WU and the second PS3Grid WU started. This too said it was running but again, it was taking zero CPU resources. I then tried a YoYo WU, this one has begun and is taking 100% CPU currently and I should know in a couple of hours if it completes.

FWIW, in the past, once a PS3Grid WU failed for any reason the entire BOINC Manager and all of the applications become corrupt and the only way to fix this is to completely reinstall BOINC and attach to each application again.

Major Problem here...I can\'t wait for the day GDF (aka. the head guy) actually fixes his app or at the very least offers some sign of encouragement. I\'m truly saddened by the serious lack of leadership around here...Perhaps its time to move on.

Timothy

I\'m currently in this state too, I have one WU that is at 1 day 16:12:41 work done and now it won\'t process any further. I tried suspending it, it kicked into the second WU, but that one won\'t process at all either. Not sure what I should do at this point, maybe a reinstall of Boinc? But then I\'ll lose the over 1.5 days of work that\'s been done already... Anyone? In case it matters, I\'m running with an installed version of YDL, not off a USB drive.

-Dave
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Sorry to hear that your problem sounds terminal Timothy. But, it seems like it can be solved in the short term by re-installing the client. But with no new WU\'s, that is not much of a solution. Unfortunately, not every project admin checks their server before going home for the weekend....

A long term solution may prove to be a bit elusive.

Hopefully, \"The Head Guy\" (Heh heh) will address your problem, to everyone\'s benefit.
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Consciousness: That annoying time between naps......

Experience is a wonderful thing: it enables you to recognize a mistake every time you repeat it.

I\'m currently in this state too, I have one WU that is at 1 day 16:12:41 work done and now it won\'t process any further. I tried suspending it, it kicked into the second WU, but that one won\'t process at all either. Not sure what I should do at this point, maybe a reinstall of Boinc? But then I\'ll lose the over 1.5 days of work that\'s been done already... Anyone? In case it matters, I\'m running with an installed version of YDL, not off a USB drive.

-Dave

Sorry to hear that your problem sounds terminal Timothy. But, it seems like it can be solved in the short term by re-installing the client. But with no new WU\'s, that is not much of a solution. Unfortunately, not every project admin checks their server before going home for the weekend....

A long term solution may prove to be a bit elusive.

Hopefully, \"The Head Guy\" (Heh heh) will address your problem, to everyone\'s benefit.

Unfortunately, I do believe the only answer in this case is to completely reinstall BOINC and then reattach. I have done this 3 times in the past (maybe more?) and will most likely do it again soon. I have had this exact problem with both the USB drive and YDL so I think we are a bit out of luck. We\'re out of work right now anyhow so don\'t do anything until work is flowing again. Instead might I suggest attaching to YoYo@home to see if there WU will work on this build. Best of luck and thank you for posting.

Timothy

Hey Timothy!

I have three PS3s all with YDL installed, and I never had to reinstall BOINC since they are running...
For me it looks like the PS3GRID app, or maybe only certain workunits are faulty, but not the BOINC client.
I too had some workunits that got stuck after 15+ hours and then were sitting idle for hours until I noticed it, or had workunits claiming the normal 3000+ credits but got only 50 credits granted (and never got an explanation or only a simple \"sorry I don´t know why that happened\"), but after a reset and a fresh download of the app. and a new workunit (if there was one) everything worked again... I never had to reinstall BOINC, and actually I don´t really understand it why you have to - BOINC is only the framework and doesn´t do any computations.

I also have Yoyo as a backup project running, and there are no problems if PS3GRID has work again, with switching back to it... Are you sure you have your PS3 in another venue (like work) than your normal computers? And are you really sure that you have unchecked the \"leave apps in memory\" for that location? Is your YDL install up to date? This are the only things I can think of...

As for GDF and the no work issue - I have sent him an email once again yesterday, but got no reply... So it seems like we have to wait until monday to get new work...

Well... it seems that´s the downside of crunching with the PS3... There are not enough projects which support it...
But Einstein@home is working on a app for the PS3 (until now they have only one that uses only the PPE), and Seti is looking for a someone who ports their app to the Cell BE, so we might be more lucky with choosing our projects for the PS3 in the future!

Cheers,
Stefan
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Hey Timothy!

I have three PS3s all with YDL installed, and I never had to reinstall BOINC since they are running...
For me it looks like the PS3GRID app, or maybe only certain workunits are faulty, but not the BOINC client.
I too had some workunits that got stuck after 15+ hours and then were sitting idle for hours until I noticed it, or had workunits claiming the normal 3000+ credits but got only 50 credits granted (and never got an explanation or only a simple \"sorry I don´t know why that happened\"), but after a reset and a fresh download of the app. and a new workunit (if there was one) everything worked again... I never had to reinstall BOINC, and actually I don´t really understand it why you have to - BOINC is only the framework and doesn´t do any computations.

I also have Yoyo as a backup project running, and there are no problems if PS3GRID has work again, with switching back to it... Are you sure you have your PS3 in another venue (like work) than your normal computers? And are you really sure that you have unchecked the \"leave apps in memory\" for that location? Is your YDL install up to date? This are the only things I can think of...


Cheers,
Stefan

I\'ve attached to Yoyo, I have a WU that seems to be processing right now.

-Dave

Timothy,

Maybe I shouldn´t say that as a moderator, but I agree with you about the lack of comunication on this project... I´m not sure if our work and the money we put into the hardware and electricity bills, is really appreciated by the project staff...
Also it is a little bit frustrating to get no answers to our questions. Bug reports are beeing ignored, or you get a \"I don´t know what´s going wrong\" as an answer... That´s probably not the best way to lead a BOINC project!

The server is going crazy again - there were a few workunits available today, but now it is out of work again, but it seems nobody feels that we users should also know what´s going on.

Well... to come back to your issue with switching projects on the PS3 - if you would like to do a test if the PS3GRID BOINC client causes these problems, you could try another one! On this site you can download BOINC Clients for many Operating Systems and architectures. There is also a 5.10.17 BOINC Client for Linux on the PS3 available, maybe that helps to track down where the problem lies...

I haven´t tried this Client myself yet, therefore I would recomend to not try it with a PS3GRID WU that already ran for several hours!

Stefan
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Timothy,

Maybe I shouldn´t say that as a moderator, but I agree with you about the lack of comunication on this project... I´m not sure if our work and the money we put into the hardware and electricity bills, is really appreciated by the project staff...
Also it is a little bit frustrating to get no answers to our questions. Bug reports are beeing ignored, or you get a \"I don´t know what´s going wrong\" as an answer... That´s probably not the best way to lead a BOINC project!

The server is going crazy again - there were a few workunits available today, but now it is out of work again, but it seems nobody feels that we users should also know what´s going on.

Well... to come back to your issue with switching projects on the PS3 - if you would like to do a test if the PS3GRID BOINC client causes these problems, you could try another one! On this site you can download BOINC Clients for many Operating Systems and architectures. There is also a 5.10.17 BOINC Client for Linux on the PS3 available, maybe that helps to track down where the problem lies...

I haven´t tried this Client myself yet, therefore I would recomend to not try it with a PS3GRID WU that already ran for several hours!

Stefan

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I\'m not too Linux savvy, how does one install the 5.10.17 BOINC Client? I tried last night but was stuck pretty much after downloading it (its not an .exe like windows :) How do I unpack it and where do I install it at? Will I need to uninstall the current BOINC client and if so, how do I do that? Thanks for the help!

Timothy

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I\'m not too Linux savvy, how does one install the 5.10.17 BOINC Client? I tried last night but was stuck pretty much after downloading it (its not an .exe like windows :) How do I unpack it and where do I install it at? Will I need to uninstall the current BOINC client and if so, how do I do that? Thanks for the help!

Timothy

Timothy,
First do:
gunzip boinc51017_11.linux-ppc.tar.gz
That should leave you with
boinc51017_11.linux-ppc.tar
in the directory you downloaded to, then do:
tar -xvf boinc51017_11.linux-ppc.tar
That should extract all the files, in verbose, so you can see
what\'s being extracted.

HTH,
-Dave

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Oh, and if the files that get unpacked aren\'t put where you run Boinc from, you\'ll have to move them there, that\'s why the \"v\" arg, so you can see if
they\'re going to the same place...

Hi Tim and Dave!

Does it really work with your instructions Dave?
Unfortunately I don´t have the time now to try it for myself, I only downloaded the .tar.gz on my Windows computer and found this readme in it...

boinc binary for Linux PPC

This is binary was compiled from the orignial sources from boinc.berkeley.edu.

The original sources from Berkely where not been modified.

Compiled on OS : Debian 4.0 (GLIBC 2.3)
Compiled from : Lars Bausch (lars at dotsch dot de)
Compiled on : 29.12.2007
Boinc Version : 5.10.17
Required patches : Have a look at /opt/boinc/doc/install
Required libs : The required libs are included in this package.
Please set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH before you start the BOINC
client : \"LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/boinc/lib ; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH\"

Should run on : Linux PPC with GLIBC >= 2.3
Last change : 29.12.07
Release : 1.1
Source Code Changes : None
Changes : V.1.1 : Fixed some library related problems
Special thanks to : David Anderson, Eric Korpela, Stefan Urbat, Ursmed

Hi Tim and Dave!

Does it really work with your instructions Dave?

the second PS3Grid unit is currently showing some progress, so maybe the other unit was just bad?

the second PS3Grid unit is currently showing some progress, so maybe the other unit was just bad?

Well, an update on the above unit, it\'s now over deadline, and 40 hours in, so between that and the last one, I\'m now at over 80 hours of wasted electrons... and it\'s still going. I guess I should just abort it at this point.

-Dave

Interesting to read this thread. I just use the usb stick install and the PS3 churns out results with monotonous regularity. Surely this would indicate that the client is consistently using the same percentage of the CPU i.e. all of it. I do note that my last task took double the usual time (perhaps it\'s one of the new units), but I still got the credit for the hours crunched. If this problem was universal them surely we would be seeing a gradual drop in the RAC?

Interesting to read this thread. I just use the usb stick install and the PS3 churns out results with monotonous regularity. Surely this would indicate that the client is consistently using the same percentage of the CPU i.e. all of it. I do note that my last task took double the usual time (perhaps it\'s one of the new units), but I still got the credit for the hours crunched. If this problem was universal them surely we would be seeing a gradual drop in the RAC?

Tim, maybe it is a problem with Yoyo? Have you asked about your problem on their message boards too?

As for your boycott - well... Of course you can ask anyone to join in your boycott, if you really think this might help? But this forum sure isn´t the right place for that...

GDF sent me a mail and he told me that he hasn´t had very much time lately because they are working on something completely new, which would also be something new for BOINC! I can´t tell you more about what they are working on, but stay here and you´ll probably be very interested in that new stuff and will really enjoy it! ;-)

Also before you speak about boycotts, maybe first try another BOINC client and tell your problems also in the Yoyo Forums... Like I said before, I never had that problems you are talking about, it could also be a hardware problem!
Out of a few hundret WUs. I had five or so which had an error and got stuck, you can see such errors on other projects too...
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Stefan,
As I\'m also having issues now, can you point me to where I can get another Boinc client that will work under YDL?

Thanks,
-Dave
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Tim, no I\'m not attached to any other project on the PS3. I did have some problems initially with the USB stick, but these were more to do with PS3 firmware updates getting ahead of the current stick YDL install. I very nearly gave up and installed the full YDL but the stick install was updated just in time. Absolutely no complains here.

Hey Dave!

You can get one from www.dotsch.de ! But I still had not the time to try it...
Would be nice if you could tell us if that client works with PS3GRID if you install it! :)
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Hey Dave!

You can get one from www.dotsch.de ! But I still had not the time to try it...
Would be nice if you could tell us if that client works with PS3GRID if you install it! :)

Hey Dave!

You can get one from www.dotsch.de ! But I still had not the time to try it...
Would be nice if you could tell us if that client works with PS3GRID if you install it! :)

Ok, I grabbed the archive from that site, installed it, and I\'m getting a message in the messages area when I run it:
localhost.localdomain PS3GRID 2/28/2008 12:07:51 AM Message from server: platform \'powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu\' not found

It\'s also generating a new host CPID each time it does this. So is there some way to get the client to report the proper platform?

-Dave

To override the platform, you need to create a project override.xml file. I havn\'t done this in quite a while and do not remember exact details. The best source for an example I can think of is on the SIMAP site. Look for the section on downloading the manual installs. There might be details in the boinc wiki, but I never looked there. The thread on the SETI@home board about running on the PS3 may have instructons also.

Update: I\'ve given up and re-installed the 5.10.6 version, I\'ll post again if I\'m still having issues after a few WUs (assuming I can get any to run correctly at this point!)

-Dave
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Well It has been awhile since I updated this thread. As I wrote earlier there still seems to be issues with CPU Usage/PS3Grid/YoYo@home. I posted a message to the YoYo forums awhile back about the issues I and others have been having and I received a very prompt answer from the \"head guy in charge\" there and the standard response went something like this--there is nothing wrong with this application, what were you thinking even bringing this up, please be quiet now. (I\'m being sarcastic, no really I am)

After \"updating\" Boinc towards the end of last month (I mean completely uninstalling BOINC and starting from scratch yet again, and FWIW that was the fifth time) things were going good until yesterday. As I write this CPU usage has peaked yet again at 95-100% not the typical 130% GDF claims is the norm for this project. My current WU has run more than 35 hours (also, this is not the \"Broken\" version, the one running currently is the \"fixed\" version) with no end in sight. Again it appears that either the YoYo app or the PS3GRID app is not working correctly. My Ps3 is not being utilized as it should be and that is a problem.

I am stating this problem yet again so GDF has the opportunity to respond with something constructive. If he were to actually look at these forums he would notice at least 5-10 different threads posted over the last few months regarding this very exact problem. I\'m getting sick of this.

Now, being that it is yet again FRIDAY, I\'m certain the servers have been set to auto and someone is off having a Corona, therefore I won\'t get a reply anytime soon. But please sir, if you at least glance at this over the next month or two could you respond with maybe a check mark, or possibly a \"gone fishin\'\" poster or perhaps a message that goes something like this--

I\'m sorry, you\'ve reached GDF, I\'m off for the weekend and this project will probably blow up between now and then but I\'m literally gone, I\'m not here. I realize I should be here but really whats the point anyhow...

Until next post,

Timothy

I am having the same problem without running any yoyo. Just today found an app running for 20 hours with no progress. Quitting/restarting BOINC did nothing. required a reboot to resolve.
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After \"updating\" Boinc towards the end of last month (I mean completely uninstalling BOINC and starting from scratch yet again, and FWIW that was the fifth time) things were going good until yesterday. As I write this CPU usage has peaked yet again at 95-100% not the typical 130% GDF claims is the norm for this project. My current WU has run more than 35 hours (also, this is not the \"Broken\" version, the one running currently is the \"fixed\" version) with no end in sight. Again it appears that either the YoYo app or the PS3GRID app is not working correctly. My Ps3 is not being utilized as it should be and that is a problem.

I bought my PS3 solely to run PS3Grid and it ran quite happily, initially on ydl and lately on fedora7.
When PS3Grid had some downtime 2-3 weeks ago I attached to Yoyo and then switched back to PS3Grid as soon as they came back up.

After restarting ps3grid I noticed the same as you ie cpu usage down around 80-100% rather than the ~130% it used to run.

What I found was that the last yoyo WU was still running in the background even though I had suspended the project.
Dettaching from yoyo didn\'t help and I had to reboot & re-install boinc to sort the problem out but since then I\'ve had no problems.
I will not be attaching to yoyo again

My latest WU has run for 65 hours. I tried to restart BOINC, then restart my PS3 but none of these worked. Tomorrow I will again uninstall BOINC and then reinstall......again.......and again.......and again. I really cannot wait for a PS3 BOINC application that works. I\'m out of here the instant a new app becomes available. I hope as many people leave this project as possible, perhaps our voices will finally be heard when GDF notices that no one crunches here anymore.

Timothy

My latest WU has run for 65 hours. I tried to restart BOINC, then restart my PS3 but none of these worked. Tomorrow I will again uninstall BOINC and then reinstall......again.......and again.......and again. I really cannot wait for a PS3 BOINC application that works. I\'m out of here the instant a new app becomes available. I hope as many people leave this project as possible, perhaps our voices will finally be heard when GDF notices that no one crunches here anymore.

Timothy

My latest WU has run for 65 hours. I tried to restart BOINC, then restart my PS3 but none of these worked. Tomorrow I will again uninstall BOINC and then reinstall......again.......and again.......and again. I really cannot wait for a PS3 BOINC application that works. I\'m out of here the instant a new app becomes available. I hope as many people leave this project as possible, perhaps our voices will finally be heard when GDF notices that no one crunches here anymore.

Timothy

Well Tim, I don\'t know what to say.... but this problem has been around for quite a while and seems only to occur if you run Yoyo and PS3 grid together. We just run one project at a time and all seems OK. That seems to be the easiest non-violent solution. Most BOINC projects have their teething problems that require some initial workaround until the Devs have time or the knowledge to find a solution. Maybe there will be no solution here. Maybe the PS3 will never be able to run more than one BOINC project at a time. Possibly the non-BOINC project Folding@Home would make you happier?? However, we think this project has great potential and won\'t be leaving anytime soon.

........Those of you who believe the fix to this problem is to \"just run one project at a time\" perhaps you need to go to folding@home. I run BOINC, I\'m proud to run BOINC and I support the nature of BOINC. If PS3GRID wants to run BOINC they need to get with the program, literally.